small -- to set less ambitious i goals day today but to do it wrt regularly, so when i'm in the middle of a book and sometimes there will beoo periods when i'm actually not writing a book -- but when0o i'm writing a book to rdtry toro write 500 words a day. and i try to do it morning, um, because that's -- >> host: how much is 500 words? >> guest: 500 words, it's about a page, maybe a page and a half. yeah, sorry, writers think in words which i realize most people don't. it's like a short op-ed. you know, an op-ed in a newspaper would be 500-1,000 words, something like that. so i try to write 500 words a day, and, you know, that's not -- if i know what i'm working on, i can sometimes do it in 25 minutes. sometimes it takes me three hours, it depends how hard it is and how much i have to fill in. and if i do a little extra, that's great, but i try and just get that done. and if you do that every day, you don't wake up in the morning and go, oh, my gosh, i have to write an entire chapter today.